Garmin Vector First Look

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Over the weekend was the first public showing of the Garmin Vector powermeter at the Ausbike Expo. The guys from Garmin were flat out showing it to the hordes of people interested in seeing this long anticipated pedal-based power meter. Will it live up to expectations?

A Silicon Valley upstart called MetriGear originally developed the technology for measuring power via the pedal axel. They started showcasing it at Interbike back in 2009 and originally used Speedplay as their pedal. It was due to be released in Q1 of 2010 but then Garmin acquired MetriGear and began productising it. Here we are a year and a half later and Garmin has set a release date of March 2012.

The price was rumoured for a long time to be under $1,000, however $1,495 AUD is what Garmin has communicated. That puts them right in the middle of the powermeter price range. Don’t forget that you need to spend $300-$500 on an ANT+ head unit to go along with it.

The pedal itself is a Look KéO-compatible carbon injected pedal built by Exustar. For the initial launch this is the only pedal available, however in the future Garmin will look at providing other platforms as options (e.g. Shimano, Time, etc).

The Garmin Vector looks very similar to the Polar/LOOK Power Pedal, but Garmin wisely made their unit ANT+ compatible.

How It Works

Bascially, there are strain guages, accelorometers, temperature sensors and other electronics built into the pedal spindle that work together to measure the force applied to the pedals. By detecting thestrain of the magnitude and direction of the pedal effort, power can be calculated. This data is transmitted via ANT+ protocol to the head unit (a Garmin 500 for example). It’s claimed accuracy is +/- 1.5%, which in line with other high end powermeters.

The transmitter and battery which sits perpendicular to the crank arm

Benefits

The biggest benefit that I can see from this power unit is that it’s easily transferable between bikes and doesn’t rely on a specific wheel such as the Powertap. Other benefits include:

- Power can be measured from each leg. This doesn’t really do much until you find good software that will put meaningful context around this. There will be firmware upgrades pushed out to the Garmin head units that will show % power from each leg and Garmin Connect will have enhancements that will feature more power data that it currently does. I’ve been told that Garmin Connect will have upgrades including L/R leg balance, L/R power plot over distance and time, TSS, IF and NP.

- If you’re a weigh weenie, you’ll appreciate the fact that the Vector adds only 50g relative to a non-Vector equipped bike.

Drawbacks

- Pedals often take the brunt of the damage during a crash. I can see the pedals of this powermeter being in a vulnerable position and taking a beating over time. Pedals and power sensors will be sold as spare parts, however the guys from Garmin tell me that a process for installation and calibration is yet to be determined. It’s not clear whether the owner will be able to do this or if it will need to be taken to a service center.

Update: Garmin got in contact with me with this statement regarding crash replacement:

I have some more information for you on the Garmin Vector power pedal, I am happy to report that in the event of the pedal body needing to be replaced through wear and tear or crash replacement, this is something that a store or end user will be able to do with the appropriate pedal tool.

- It remains to be seen if there will be ANT+ problems with the transmitter being located on a part of the bike that has a large radius of movement (i.e. the pedals).

Summary

Those of you who know me will understand that I’m a powermeter junkie. I’ve had one for the past 10 years and have seen quite a bit of progress made in their development. It’s disappointing that the $1000 rumoured pricetag wasn’t achieved, but the reality is that they’ll still sell heaps of these units at $1500.

A powermeter is certainly not required to make you a good cyclist, but without a doubt it’s a useful tool. I’m keen to see this how well this new tool for measuring power works when it’s released next year. If the Vector is anything like the rest of Garmin’s products, it’ll be a huge success.


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  • Andrew

    How expensive would it be to replace the pedals? seems pretty vulnerable to a sliding crash

  • Anonymous

    It’s a shame Speedplay didn’t get the initial jersey for this.  Hopefully Garmin will release a Speedplay one in the near future, and the price will hopefully come down as well.

    Great to see some different options around for Power now.  Wonder if the Garvelo team will use these or not?

  • pinarello413

    Getting it, getting it, getting it.
    Thanks for keeping me sane CT during a long bout of illness, your blog is great. You may have noticed that I haven’t been on lately, that’s cause I’m out training. My first race back was the Burra Classic, a 125km open. I got 20th. You got me to the start line.

  • pinarello413

    Getting it, getting it, getting it.
    Thanks for keeping me sane CT during a long bout of illness, your blog is great. You may have noticed that I haven’t been on lately, that’s cause I’m out training. My first race back was the Burra Classic, a 125km open. I got 20th. You got me to the start line.

  • pinarello413

    By the way @ $1,495, these will sell by the bucketload, and Garmin know that.

  • http://twitter.com/Tinea_Pedis Nick

    The knock on, price wise, for the existing PM’s on the market could also be interesting…

  • Epic fail……

     Exustar  *shudder*

  • Epic fail……

     Exustar  *shudder*

  • Freddo

    It’s pretty common to replace pedals every 12 months because they wear out. (The old Looks before the alloy plate was introduced would wear out in about a month). Is the pedal axle assembly able to be swapped across to a pair of new pedals, or would you be up for $1500 every 12 or so months for an entirely new unit?

  • Freddo

    It’s pretty common to replace pedals every 12 months because they wear out. (The old Looks before the alloy plate was introduced would wear out in about a month). Is the pedal axle assembly able to be swapped across to a pair of new pedals, or would you be up for $1500 every 12 or so months for an entirely new unit?

  • norbs

    But at $999 they would have sold by the metric shitload!

    1 mSL = 37.5 BL

    :D

  • norbs

    But at $999 they would have sold by the metric shitload!

    1 mSL = 37.5 BL

    :D

  • Bendouglas1927

    Think the Quarq is king here (allowing for the 30% extra cost). I’m a dud when it comes to bike mechanics but even I can change a Quarq from bike to bike in under 5 mins.  I used to wear out Look pedals (even with alloy plate) in under 6 months so would hate to think of the cost of getting the pedals replaced/pm changed over.

  • Matt

    Would have liked to see them stick with Speedplay. Is Exustar a cost saving thing (@ $1500, surely not)? A manufacturer with quicker turnaround times? Less hassle than Mr Speedplay?

  • http://profiles.google.com/aglogan Andy Logan

    Looking at it, they look good, however I do question how much crash replacements are going to cost, say you have a sliding accident in the wet for example where your front wheel washes out, as Wade said the pedals generally take the brunt of the fall, it could turn into a rather expensive crash really.

    I like the idea, but yeah interested in seeing more even if I was considering investing (Just purchased a Powertap) so I wont be in the market for a while.

  • http://profiles.google.com/aglogan Andy Logan

    Looking at it, they look good, however I do question how much crash replacements are going to cost, say you have a sliding accident in the wet for example where your front wheel washes out, as Wade said the pedals generally take the brunt of the fall, it could turn into a rather expensive crash really.

    I like the idea, but yeah interested in seeing more even if I was considering investing (Just purchased a Powertap) so I wont be in the market for a while.

  • Notso Swift

    “Less hassle than Mr Speedplay?”  Word

    Wonder if there is some licencing issues with Polar/LOOK as well

  • Robertbb

    I reckon they wanted to use speedplay as the platform, but couldn’t get it to work. There’s no other explanation for the decision to base it around their own pedal system and charge almost 50% more than they were targetting. I’ll be buying a Quark or Powertap, as I’m sure will most who are in the market.

  • Robertbb

    I reckon they wanted to use speedplay as the platform, but couldn’t get it to work. There’s no other explanation for the decision to base it around their own pedal system and charge almost 50% more than they were targetting. I’ll be buying a Quark or Powertap, as I’m sure will most who are in the market.

  • Notso Swift

    They will be $999 in 2 years, when this one is replaced by the upgraded one with a built in foot warmer

  • Notso Swift

    They will be $999 in 2 years, when this one is replaced by the upgraded one with a built in foot warmer

  • Sven Nijs

    I’d like to see if there are any issues for Criterium riders with the transmitter/battery assemblies hanging in the wind. Surely they could have found a better mounting method?

  • Anonymous

    Speedplay data were published early on the Metrigrar blog.

  • http://twitter.com/cyclist_dave Dave

    Does having the power for each leg mean that for each second that the head unit records there will be the power (overall) as well as the left leg power and the right leg power? I imagine that it will have to be like that, but you’d need a head unit that can write that data. I also wonder what this will mean for the files that are generated, because, at the moment, all the second-by-second data that you get for rides (latitude, longitude, heart rate, speed, distance, watts, temperature etc.) is contained in certain type of message (FIT files basically contain a big list of these messages, and a few other messages to define laps and other things) and it isn’t possible to add a new data field (like left leg power) into this. There are ways to add this left/right leg power data, but I guess I’m just looking forward to Garmin documenting how they’re doing it. I’m sure there’s some other people who’d be interested to know (i.e., software developers working on things to do stuff with this data)…

    In any case I’m really looking forward to the Vector, although it is a shame they couldn’t hit the $1k price point they were targeting. I look forward to the day when everybody can afford a power meter. Also, did you see that Garmin are introducing a new low end bike computer, the Edge 200, which will cost a whopping US$150? (Although I doubt many people looking at getting a Vector would get one…)

  • http://twitter.com/cyclist_dave Dave

    Does having the power for each leg mean that for each second that the head unit records there will be the power (overall) as well as the left leg power and the right leg power? I imagine that it will have to be like that, but you’d need a head unit that can write that data. I also wonder what this will mean for the files that are generated, because, at the moment, all the second-by-second data that you get for rides (latitude, longitude, heart rate, speed, distance, watts, temperature etc.) is contained in certain type of message (FIT files basically contain a big list of these messages, and a few other messages to define laps and other things) and it isn’t possible to add a new data field (like left leg power) into this. There are ways to add this left/right leg power data, but I guess I’m just looking forward to Garmin documenting how they’re doing it. I’m sure there’s some other people who’d be interested to know (i.e., software developers working on things to do stuff with this data)…

    In any case I’m really looking forward to the Vector, although it is a shame they couldn’t hit the $1k price point they were targeting. I look forward to the day when everybody can afford a power meter. Also, did you see that Garmin are introducing a new low end bike computer, the Edge 200, which will cost a whopping US$150? (Although I doubt many people looking at getting a Vector would get one…)

  • Timo

    I honestly expected them to use their own custom patented  pedal/cleat combo. Then offer non-power pedals for your other bikes and strangle the replacement cleat market.

    Lock people into your standard, it’s tech business 101.

  • pmcs

    Way to make assumptions Bob.  I’d think it more likely to be a licencing
    issue than any technical challenge.  It sort of places any pedal maker
    in a bad place b/c their tech (pedal system) is second place to Garmin’s
    tech.  They either licence the tech from Garmin (if Garmin are
    willing)  or are confined to being out of the pwr meter game or only
    producing cleats.   It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. 
    This system has massive advantages in my opinion.  However, as you can
    see, ppl are quite biased into there particular pedal systems.  Garmin
    would do well to remember that b/c I can’t see to many ppl who will pay
    $1500 for a power meter being happy with an Exustar pedal.

  • pmcs

    Way to make assumptions Bob.  I’d think it more likely to be a licencing
    issue than any technical challenge.  It sort of places any pedal maker
    in a bad place b/c their tech (pedal system) is second place to Garmin’s
    tech.  They either licence the tech from Garmin (if Garmin are
    willing)  or are confined to being out of the pwr meter game or only
    producing cleats.   It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. 
    This system has massive advantages in my opinion.  However, as you can
    see, ppl are quite biased into there particular pedal systems.  Garmin
    would do well to remember that b/c I can’t see to many ppl who will pay
    $1500 for a power meter being happy with an Exustar pedal.

  • Robertbb

    Sure is Timo, but then (as has been pointed out above) you’re cutting out a huge chunk of the market. If the pedal is junk (or made by a company that doesn’t have an amazing reputation, or doesn’t offer the float range you need, or whatever) then you’re instantly distancing the more astute and/or seasoned cyclists that are in the market for a power meter…

  • Robertbb

    Sure is Timo, but then (as has been pointed out above) you’re cutting out a huge chunk of the market. If the pedal is junk (or made by a company that doesn’t have an amazing reputation, or doesn’t offer the float range you need, or whatever) then you’re instantly distancing the more astute and/or seasoned cyclists that are in the market for a power meter…

  • 20at6pc

    I’ve been looking forward to seeing this for ages. Alas, looks like the perfect solution will remain elusive for a while..

    And while $1500 is definitely too much, at least they didn’t charge a ridiculous mark up for Australia (RRP in US is $1499). No reason that wouldn’t have some competitive local pricing.

  • http://topdogcycling.com Nikolai Razouvaev

    I doubt Garmin would be entering a new market with a product that will disappoint too many users.

  • http://topdogcycling.com Nikolai Razouvaev

    I doubt Garmin would be entering a new market with a product that will disappoint too many users.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=636550395 Robert Merkel

    I doubt the price point is driven by manufacturing cost; it’s driven by what they think the market (particularly the early adopters) will bear.

    They will sell the first few thousand units at $1500, get all the bugs out of them (covered by the high cost), and in a couple of years’ time sell a cheaper version for $999, while putting out a high-end version with extra carbon fibre made from Dave Zabriskie’s leg shavings to cater to the $1500 market.

    A few years after that, they put out a $300 version and sell them by the shipping carton full.  Heck, they’ll bundle them with Edge 500s.

  • anon

    “Productising” What kind of  lazy word is that? 

  • Anonymous

    Yes — instead of just power each sample, you’ll get power and L-R balance (for example, % of power from L leg, or perhaps % of power from R leg).  It would require the head unit to be looking for this number, unless like the Quarq Qollector or similar hacks it just stores anything it finds.

  • http://www.cyclingTipsBlog.com cyclingTips

    Not sure if it’s a real word, but everyone in the last company I worked in used it regularly (spelled with a ‘z’ though)

  • Tim

    That’s a big call, saying most will stick with Quarq or PT. 

  • Tim

    That’s a big call, saying most will stick with Quarq or PT. 

  • Tim

    Looking forward to a Time iclic version. Give it 12-24 months and they’ll be sub 1k. Can’t see price inflation in this sort of stuff.

    Good post CT.

    One comment and crashes.  Personally, I’d only use these on a training bike (where the chances of crashing are lower). For me at least power in a race is irrelevant (that’s just my opinion, pretty sure many will disagree).

    The L/R power comparison is a fantastic innovation and I reckon a few people will be off to physios/osteos to correct some serious imbalances (I am one of them).

  • Tim

    Looking forward to a Time iclic version. Give it 12-24 months and they’ll be sub 1k. Can’t see price inflation in this sort of stuff.

    Good post CT.

    One comment and crashes.  Personally, I’d only use these on a training bike (where the chances of crashing are lower). For me at least power in a race is irrelevant (that’s just my opinion, pretty sure many will disagree).

    The L/R power comparison is a fantastic innovation and I reckon a few people will be off to physios/osteos to correct some serious imbalances (I am one of them).

  • Anonymous

    Exustar are an OEMer. To do a Look, Speedplay pedal etc they would have needed to go into partnership with that manufacturer – and then limited the potential to deliver the pedals with other cleat connections.

    In reality, it is a Garmin pedal manufactured by Exustar – you will not be returning it Exustar for warranty returns etc!

    Would be interested to see if they release later on a Vector lite version with just one pedal power meter – Metrigear’s research showed that cyclists operate like a two stroke motor, allowing extrapolation from one leg pretty easily. Bringing in a one sided power meter for about the $900 mark at full retail would go down a treat and be “good enough” for what most of us need from a power meter.

  • Anonymous

    Exustar are an OEMer. To do a Look, Speedplay pedal etc they would have needed to go into partnership with that manufacturer – and then limited the potential to deliver the pedals with other cleat connections.

    In reality, it is a Garmin pedal manufactured by Exustar – you will not be returning it Exustar for warranty returns etc!

    Would be interested to see if they release later on a Vector lite version with just one pedal power meter – Metrigear’s research showed that cyclists operate like a two stroke motor, allowing extrapolation from one leg pretty easily. Bringing in a one sided power meter for about the $900 mark at full retail would go down a treat and be “good enough” for what most of us need from a power meter.

  • Anonymous

    Exustar are an OEMer. To do a Look, Speedplay pedal etc they would have needed to go into partnership with that manufacturer – and then limited the potential to deliver the pedals with other cleat connections.

    In reality, it is a Garmin pedal manufactured by Exustar – you will not be returning it Exustar for warranty returns etc!

    Would be interested to see if they release later on a Vector lite version with just one pedal power meter – Metrigear’s research showed that cyclists operate like a two stroke motor, allowing extrapolation from one leg pretty easily. Bringing in a one sided power meter for about the $900 mark at full retail would go down a treat and be “good enough” for what most of us need from a power meter.

  • David

    I’d back the view that this product will get a lot cheaper in due course – firstly I gather that unlike other power meters it’s fully electronic, and second a big player like Garmin would only get into this market if they saw the potential for volume sales.   

  • Echidna_sg

    you do realise that Exustar are look compatible pedals right? exustar cleats come in the same range of float offerings as look, but at 25% of the price… I personally still buy look cleats, but that’s beside the point.

  • http://twitter.com/cyclecam CycleCam

    So now I will store all my bikes (n+1) without pedals, then when I want to ride I will have to take the pedals off one of my bikes and put these pedals on the bike I want to ride commuter, race bike, mtb, pos bike. Suppose its easier than Power hubs or Cranksets, but I can see myself doing a whole lot of pedal changes, which is going to add time to getting ready to ride ….

  • Eggysimpson

    Anyone else concerned about hte pedal body?  The original Look KEO pedal bodies (without metal platehardware) get chewed up amazingly fast!

    Why didn’t exustar take a leaf out of shimano and look books by including a metal scuff plate?  For $1500AU, you’d want a durable pedal body!  Especially when you may not be able to change it over yourself (yet to be determined)!

  • http://twitter.com/mdobson44 Mark Dobson

    discounting has already begun… http://tinyurl.com/3z279ry

  • Ron

    Really? I have LOOK Keo Sprints that are five years old and going strong.

    Do you actually mean pedals or cleats? I also have cleats older than 12 months. The trick is to only use cycling shoes to ride your bike.

  • Ron

    Really? I have LOOK Keo Sprints that are five years old and going strong.

    Do you actually mean pedals or cleats? I also have cleats older than 12 months. The trick is to only use cycling shoes to ride your bike.

  • tjf

    Many posts here so sorry if doubled up on anyone’s comments. A couple of thoughts / questions.
    1. Would it be fair to assume a damaged pedal could be replaced with a new / cheaper Look Keo pedal just by swapping out the spindles?
    2. Are Look Keo (Garmin) spindles compatible with any other pedal bodies, such as Shimano which appears pretty similar?
    On the face of it, this looks like a great prospect for anyone wanting a Power Meter that is easily interchangeable between bikes, and provides left and right side data. It seems all power meters have their own handicap within the market. This offering seems to have greater prospects for development and broad consumer appeal.

    tjf

  • Anonymous

    Yes – and they have to balance ability to support these new pedals and manufacturing capability as well.

    A higher price to start with allows them to ramp up their support and manufacturing capabilities and then increase market share later with lower prices, as we’ve seen with the Edge 500 etc.

  • C Grade Cyclist

    Still patiently waiting for a “power for the masses” solution…   At that price ($1500, before the head unit), that costs more than my entire bike (including my race wheels)!!

    Hopefully a $500-ish complete powermeter product will come along if I wait long enough…

  • lekoshe

    last statement not quite right. sure it could sell like hotcakes. but let’s try again:

    “If the Vector is anything like the rest of Garmin’s products, it’ll be … ” crippled by buggy software for the first 18 months.
    “If the Vector is anything like the rest of Garmin’s products, it’ll … ” fail due to some poorly molded plastic part snapping off

    safe to say that whilst I did buy one due to the terrific feature mix, I am not impressed by the QA processes or outcomes with the Edge 500.

    also:
    “If the Vector is anything like the rest of Garmin’s products, it’ll be
    … ” 40% cheaper from Wiggle.

  • lekoshe

    last statement not quite right. sure it could sell like hotcakes. but let’s try again:

    “If the Vector is anything like the rest of Garmin’s products, it’ll be … ” crippled by buggy software for the first 18 months.
    “If the Vector is anything like the rest of Garmin’s products, it’ll … ” fail due to some poorly molded plastic part snapping off

    safe to say that whilst I did buy one due to the terrific feature mix, I am not impressed by the QA processes or outcomes with the Edge 500.

    also:
    “If the Vector is anything like the rest of Garmin’s products, it’ll be
    … ” 40% cheaper from Wiggle.

  • http://www.facebook.com/neighbourhoodsuperhero Rhys Edwards

    Disappointed at the price. I thought it was going to be about $500 and attach somehow to your existing pedals. Maybe I was too unrealistic. I’m going to buy something else out of spite now.

  • Anonymous

    I’m taking a wait and see approach.

    Interested to see how this product compares technically and in terms of cost, once it hits the market:
    http://www.brimbrothers.com/2011/06/announcing-zone/

    I personally think the Brim guys have got the superior concept but the proof will be in the pudding, of course.

  • Teamsibo

    Speedplay ti pedals have a weight limit on rider. KEO 2 Max dont… unit should unscrew from Estar pedal and right into Keo. Racing Data is how you track your improvements training data gets you there.

  • http://facebook.com/brad.priest1 Priestie

    LOOK have released their Power Pedal … “The 1st Power Pedal to market! Coming to selected markets in Europe & North America in October.”

    http://www.lookcycle.com/en/int/look-cycle/actualites/first-keo-power-deliveries.html

  • racer66

    you can get an ibike.

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