Le Tour Diary | Stage 16

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How wrong I was. I was convinced this Tour de France was simply going to be a race of attrition and a winner would emerge from those who hadn't had a bad day rather than decimating attacks and fireworks in the mountains. This is one time I'm happy to be proven wrong.

What a Tour for Thor. He’s worn the yellow jersey for 7 days and is now 2 for 2 in his breakaway attempts. Today he rode like the World Champion that he is with thanks to Ryder Hesjedal for helping him get the win. There was no way they could lose in a 2 on 1 scenario like that.

What got me even more excited today was witnessing Cadel dish out a serving of panache that made him World Champion last year. Cadel looked comfortable responding the explosive attacks and managed to get away on the descent to the finish putting time into Voeckler and the Schleck sisters. It couldn’t have worked out better for Cadel and BMC.

The next couple of days will be interesting. The race comes into Italy tomorrow and it’s absolutely freezing here. There’s fresh snow on the mountain tops and it’s been pouring rain. The Gendarmerie (French national police) have already crossed the border and seem to have jurisdiction over the roads of the race while in Italy (I’d be interested in finding out exactly how this works). The are 3 big climbs tomorrow but the descents will be the rider’s concern. Especially the Schleck’s.

Oz Cycling

courtesy of OzCycling.com.au

Unfortunately the ASO has temporarily prohibited OzCycling from posting their videos on YouTube. I can’t comment on the reasons behind this, but I hope they get it resolved very soon. The interviews and segments that Scotty McGrory and Dan Jones have been outstanding and I’ve seen how much work these guys put into bringing this footage to you. It will be a real shame if they have to stop.

Photos

courtesy of Veeral Patel and Sirotti

Stage 16 Profile

Stage 16 Results

1 Thor Hushovd (Nor) Team Garmin-Cervelo 3:31:38
2 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling
3 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:00:02
4 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0:00:38
5 Mikhail Ignatyev (Rus) Katusha Team 0:00:52
6 Alan Perez Lezaun (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:01:25
7 Jérémy Roy (Fra) FDJ
8 Marco Marcato (Ita) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:01:55
9 Dries Devenyns (Bel) Quickstep Cycling Team
10 Andriy Grivko (Ukr) Pro Team Astana 0:01:58
11 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:04:23

42 Stuart O’Grady (Aus) Leopard Trek 0:06:18
81 Richie Porte (Aus) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:09:59
118 Simon Gerrans (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:15:06
119 Mark Renshaw (Aus) HTC-Highroad
139 Matthew Harley Goss (Aus) HTC-Highroad

General Classification after Stage 16

1 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Team Europcar 69:00:56
2 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:01:45
3 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 0:01:49
4 Andy Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 0:03:03
5 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:03:26
6 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:03:42
7 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:03:49
8 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre – ISD 0:04:01
9 Thomas Danielson (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:06:04
10 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 0:07:55

74 Richie Porte (Aus) Saxo Bank Sungard 1:18:20
80 Stuart O’Grady (Aus) Leopard Trek 1:23:17
101 Simon Gerrans (Aus) Sky Procycling 1:43:17
139 Matthew Harley Goss (Aus) HTC-Highroad 2:10:52
161 Mark Renshaw (Aus) HTC-Highroad 2:29:42

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SIMILAR ENTRIES

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  • Andy_roos

    ALBERTO IS BACK!

  • Pat

    I would like to think that Cadel can win this year but its unlikely he will :(

  • Pat

    I would like to think that Cadel can win this year but its unlikely he will :(

  • Steve Price

    What an awesome stage! I’m well an truely on the Cadel bandwagon but still cautious of a rapidly improving Contador. Bring on the last week!

  • 20at6pc

    Just my luck, didn’t tape this one because I thought it would be a fizzer. The highlights were awesome! Now off to find a recording…

  • Baxterelax

    Did you have the Canadian Flag out for Ryder Hesjedal or the Aussie Flag out for Cadel Last night Wade?

  • Aussie Bazza

    Schleck sisters!  I love it. 

    Great efforts from Cadel, what an awesome spectacle

  • Notso Swift

    Err, …didn’t you watch it?

  • matt

    Panache indeed!

    And as for impossible to lose in a two on one situation…. Didn’t the Schleck sisters do exactly that when outnumbering big Phil in one of the classics not so long ago?  I don’t think they can wait for one almighty attack on Alpe D’Huez now, they need to gain time on multiple stages and i just cant see it happening, particularly with their aversion to cold weather.

    Its nice to see a tour where the toughest riders are shining and its not just about cagey climbers and sprinters… Evans, Voeckler, Thor, Gilbert, and of course the Jensie.

    Still loving the photo’s and blog, going to be a great few days/nights

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=636550395 Robert Merkel

    That was fascinating.

    So many questions about that stage; I hope we get some estimates of power data for that climb to get some answers.  Maybe the very fast pace over the first part of the stage hurt the Schlecks/Basso more than Contador/Evans?

  • http://www.facebook.com/t.benner Tyler Benner

    Great quote from the pictures over on Steephill.tv:

    “Andy Schleck’s eyes were full of rain and anger that a downhill finish would cost him over a minute to the GC contenders. If not for time-trialing, descending and climbs where you need to change gears, he could probably win the Tour de France.”

  • Big Dragon

    Great work again Wader. So good to see the boy Evans dish some out. So far so good. Contador is definitely having a crack, but at least this year he looks like he is at or near his limit……hmmmm….Cant wait for the big hills. And has anyone thought to thank Cadel for lifting the Rainbow jersey curse?????. Look at what has happened to the wearers since he won it!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    You must be one of the few that think that. Cadel is in a perfect position and rode Contator off his wheel in the decent last night. 

    You must be watching last years tour.

  • norm

    What’s amazing is the amount of nicknames that the Schecks and Leopard-Trek have accumulated recently. Just a few of the gems I’ve heard: Frandy Schleck, Leotard-Trek, Schleck Sisters… 
    And now with the news that they don’t like riding in “cold weather” (what the?) the name “Schleck Sisters” seem very appropriate. 

    I think we all thought that it was going to be a rather boring stage, so it was great to see Contador attacking and of course, great to see Cadel looking so strong.

    Apparently the weather in the Alps is crap at the moment, the sisters must be crying in their van!

  • JM

    It’s his for the taking!

    Vive la Cuddles!

  • JM

    It’s his for the taking!

    Vive la Cuddles!

  • norm

    You might find this data of Flecha interesting: http://home.trainingpeaks.com/races/team-sky-races/2011-tour-de-france.aspx

  • norm

    You might find this data of Flecha interesting: http://home.trainingpeaks.com/races/team-sky-races/2011-tour-de-france.aspx

  • NickV

    Great comment Captain Positive!  (Pat) 
    Heaven forbid we should get behind a hard working, non-doping Aussie and try to will him to a victory he seems to deserve… 

  • Anonymous

    Was about to go to bed as I too thought it would be a standard “Breakaway wins, Peleton comes in together”  but no. Bertie decides to instigate psychological warfare on the field and attack where none expect it. The only ones who even looked like they are in good form to challenge and even take it to Bertie are Cuddles and Dirty Sanchez.

    What a great finish.

    Looking forward to the next four days of GC racing.

  • Anonymous

    Was about to go to bed as I too thought it would be a standard “Breakaway wins, Peleton comes in together”  but no. Bertie decides to instigate psychological warfare on the field and attack where none expect it. The only ones who even looked like they are in good form to challenge and even take it to Bertie are Cuddles and Dirty Sanchez.

    What a great finish.

    Looking forward to the next four days of GC racing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1183027978 Paul Willett

    That photo of Cadel grinding out the pace on the flat is fantastic. Anybody still doubt his will to win?

  • http://twitter.com/peteski9 Peter

    Important question people – Does anyone know of a pub / sports bar that will be showing the stages on friday and saturday night? Is there a place that people are going to head to? I called Turf bar and they said they’ll be showing the race on friday night but with no sound…. WTF? they will however be showing the race on Sat night with sound. does anyone know of other good options?

  • justanotheropinion

    Do I hear the sound of Andy Schleck moaning about the descent into Gap? 

    Would he be whinging if the shoe was on the other foot? not likely. 

    Reading Andy’s comments on Cycling news, I get the impression he is not a fan of Cadel only praising Contador for his attacking effort  but from what I saw there were 3 people involved and if he can’t descend then practice and get better, go for a ride with his team mate Voight.

    I can only hope that these next 3 days in the Alps are filled with the 10 riders of the Pyrenees as this I believe will help Cadel, but if he is isolated in a group with a similar make up as last night they will all work against him and he will have a tough time chasing moves down. 

    With the weather as it is and predicted to be, Will stage 18 (Galibier) be changed?

    “Shleck Sisters” I love it, nothing like bit of tall poppy cutting.

  • Seanpham

    I will send you a “Don’t Stand on my Dog” tshirt courtesy of Cadel and his fans.

  • Gunnar

    “It couldn’t have worked out better for Cadel and BMC.” …. agreed. 

    Gutsie riding down the decent and hammering home.  So glad I stayed up to watch it, but makes it difficult to miss any of the remaining stages.  Cadel couldn’t be better placed at the moment but we have 2, not 1, days in the mountains to come… it’s still anyones race.

  • Anonymous

    Would also be interested if anyone knows of a pub/bar showing friday/saturday’s stage..

  • Anonymous

    Would also be interested if anyone knows of a pub/bar showing friday/saturday’s stage..

  • Csdcjsdcjsadc

    Doping againg maybe? Haha

  • dany

    I love this page,not that I am in any shape or form a good cyclist,but a few weekes ago I have celebrated 60 years of riding bikes.I have allways found cyclist to ne a good bunch of people and tolerant of others,but lately there are things creeping into the bicycle community which I don’t like,and commentaries which are hard to swallow.Comments like,drugies,Schleck sisters etc I found offensive and I dare say insulting to the people concerned,so,please do not join the rest of the world in the race to the bottom.

  • Guest

    Voight might be a hard man but clearly isn’t the best person to get descending advise from, I’d suggest ending up on your arse twice doesn’t isn’t a great example of good technique. Fabian might be a better option.

  • Anonymous

    “I am pretty disappointed,” Andy Schleck said after he showered.

    “I don’t think this is what people want to see, a race decided on a downhill.”

    Au contraire Andy, I was LOVING it. Doesn’t really explain why he got dropped on the way up, either!

  • JC

    Insulting to the people concerned….that’s the idea. You’re right to a point tough,  Dany. The Schleck sisters deserve credit for their attacking style. Only problem is that for all their efforts in the early mountains they didn’t make it stick and perhaps depleted some of their reserves for the Alps, we shall see. There’s a fine line between panache and stupidity. One thing’s for sure though, they will attack and so will Alby and big dog Cadel will follow their every pedal stroke. Go Cadel!!

  • JC

    Insulting to the people concerned….that’s the idea. You’re right to a point tough,  Dany. The Schleck sisters deserve credit for their attacking style. Only problem is that for all their efforts in the early mountains they didn’t make it stick and perhaps depleted some of their reserves for the Alps, we shall see. There’s a fine line between panache and stupidity. One thing’s for sure though, they will attack and so will Alby and big dog Cadel will follow their every pedal stroke. Go Cadel!!

  • Bracks_ashat

    Who the bloody hell are cuddles and bertie? There are no such names in the peloton, or am I even watching the same tour as you guys?!?!?!?????

  • Wikipedia

    Bertie = Alberto
    Cuddles = Cadel

  • norbs

    Never you mind, you just start to research where you can get 10 sets of Boras at the best price.   :D

  • Anonymous

    The sports betting agencies beg to differ – Cadel currently at 3.25:1, just behind (strangely) Andy Schlek. Last night, I thought Frank looked stronger.

    http://www.olbg.com/tour-de-france.htm

    Cadel certainly stamped his intentions on the race!

  • Anonymous

    The sports betting agencies beg to differ – Cadel currently at 3.25:1, just behind (strangely) Andy Schlek. Last night, I thought Frank looked stronger.

    http://www.olbg.com/tour-de-france.htm

    Cadel certainly stamped his intentions on the race!

  • Frank

    Thor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Frank

    Thor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Big dragon

    Pete, Keep your ear to the ground as there has been a push on radio (3AW no less) to find a place where a few (hundred) can watch the last few stages live. belgian beer garden, the palace (I think) and a couple of others are in the mix. sorry i cant give you much more but stay tuned… 

  • Big dragon

    …..and before you blokes mention how sad it is that I listen to 3AW………

  • Jii

    Schelacked Brothers. The use of ‘girlyness’ as a pejorative is a crutch for those who lack any creativity beyond a cro magnon.

  • Anonymous

    Those stats are amazing – what a machine.

  • Anonymous

    Those stats are amazing – what a machine.

  • Gareth

    No OzCycling video but this “interview” with sister Andy is pretty funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubEfM5npOvo

  • Gus

    I love that Andy Schlep complained about the descent when he was actually dropped on the climb. Yes the descent put more time into him, but by my watching, he was already goooooone.
    Go Cadel.

  • Bernard

    Awesome stage. Great rides by Cadel, Thor and Contador.
    I have a bit of a laugh a nicknames that get tossed around (especially Phil Andersons “leotard” slip up! Gold!), but Wade perhaps you should be careful you don’t look like you’re jumping on bandwagon of bagging the out-of-fashion-riders… It’s a bit to remniscient of the garbage that gets thrown around some cycling forums (and I should add that I really believe that the standard on this site is far higher than that, and I hope it remains so!).

  • Gus

    Am I right in thinking that we should all continue the mantra of not daring to think Cadel can win? The reduced amount of pressure on him this year with regard to expectations has had to have helped, no?
    That said …. dare to dream and hope that he can. The next few days will be awesome. And dare I say it, the bad conditions may well play into the hands of an ex mountainbike world champion quite nicely.
    If he can hold onto Contador and Frank Schleps wheels with anything they do, he might ….. might ….. be the man come Sunday.
    He certainly is a different rider to a few years ago.
    Go Cadel !!

  • Gus

    Am I right in thinking that we should all continue the mantra of not daring to think Cadel can win? The reduced amount of pressure on him this year with regard to expectations has had to have helped, no?
    That said …. dare to dream and hope that he can. The next few days will be awesome. And dare I say it, the bad conditions may well play into the hands of an ex mountainbike world champion quite nicely.
    If he can hold onto Contador and Frank Schleps wheels with anything they do, he might ….. might ….. be the man come Sunday.
    He certainly is a different rider to a few years ago.
    Go Cadel !!

  • Gus

    Am I right in thinking that we should all continue the mantra of not daring to think Cadel can win? The reduced amount of pressure on him this year with regard to expectations has had to have helped, no?
    That said …. dare to dream and hope that he can. The next few days will be awesome. And dare I say it, the bad conditions may well play into the hands of an ex mountainbike world champion quite nicely.
    If he can hold onto Contador and Frank Schleps wheels with anything they do, he might ….. might ….. be the man come Sunday.
    He certainly is a different rider to a few years ago.
    Go Cadel !!

  • Anonymous

    Oh please….

  • Sean Doyle

    Ahhh! Frandy, it looked like neither of them had any Schleckticles last night.

  • Anonymous

    Le Thor

  • Al

    I enjoy the nicknames too… but really the Schlecks are under a lot of pressure to perform here! I know it sounds dumb to say so, but they are just two guys like any two brothers you’d meet on the street. Okay, well maybe not just *any* street ;-) Its bad enough that the media hypes them up or down on a whim to sell papers. Maybe we can be a bit more considerate! I want Cadel to win, but I’m not going to knock the Schlecks for a moment. They are super riders and by the reports I have read (never having met them) decent guys. Hell, Andy even followed my wife on Twitter! ;-)

  • Super Wombat

    Do I detect a sense of Shleckadenfreude emerging about the sisters

  • mb

    “The Brothers Grimm” now renamed to “The Sisters Schleck”

    Gold WW. Can’t wait to see the new Schleck moniker trending on twitter

  • Powerthirst User

    Speaking from (limited) personal experience, the wetter/colder it gets, the more the hills favour the bigger riders. Both from a bike handling point of view and ability to keep up your power output (wattage). Can anyone else suggest (with any authority) if weather conditions and body shape make any difference at the elite level, or am I just a Schleck sister from another mister?

  • Abdu Whereareyou
  • JC

    The Schleck sisters needn’t have showered after the race. Cadel already gave them a bath. BOOM!

  • col

    Also enjoyed seeing the breakaway form … normally we join the coverage after it has already occurred

  • dany

    Insulting??????I thought it was about cycling,who has better legs on the day and better strategy,of course some  luck as well,that is what makes the sport exciting and beautifull.forget the nationalistic crap, and dont get me wrong I too would like to see Cadel win,but the rest of the boys have their aspirations too, and they all worked pretty hard to get where they are,so lets see some impartiality and spread the credit where it is due.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he saw Beloki’s descent video and got really scared! I would…

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he saw Beloki’s descent video and got really scared! I would…

  • Bracks_ashat

    hahahahahahahahaha

  • Bracks_ashat

    hahahahahahahahaha

  • Marcus

    You are looking at old odds. Cadel now outright fave. Basso at $54 gives some value!

    http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/cycling/tour-de-france

  • Marcus

    You are looking at old odds. Cadel now outright fave. Basso at $54 gives some value!

    http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/cycling/tour-de-france

  • Bvg

    The bigger your butt – the bigger your sail
    I suppose that’s a good thing with a tail wind

  • Bvg

    The bigger your butt – the bigger your sail
    I suppose that’s a good thing with a tail wind

  • dany

    well spoken,I had the same concern about maintaining the standarts

  • dany

    well spoken,I had the same concern about maintaining the standarts

  • Al

    Definitely! In a nutshell, volume holds heat, surface area loses it. If you are skinny you have low volume and relatively high surface area. If you are more solid, the reverse is true. You change temperature more rapidly if you are skinny. If you are solid you will also have more trouble ridding yourself of heat on a hot day (by evaporation of perspiration from your surface) than a skinnier person all else being equal (such as perspiration rates for instance).

    Most heat loss is through your head though… so if you are skinny and your fingers or toes go numb from the cold, if you have gloves on the next thing to try is, wear a hat!

    A wet day or a windy day both contribute to loss of body heat from the skin’s surface significantly. This certainly impacts on skinny riders more than solid riders, even if they have the same body-fat levels (which is not always the case obviously).

  • Al

    Definitely! In a nutshell, volume holds heat, surface area loses it. If you are skinny you have low volume and relatively high surface area. If you are more solid, the reverse is true. You change temperature more rapidly if you are skinny. If you are solid you will also have more trouble ridding yourself of heat on a hot day (by evaporation of perspiration from your surface) than a skinnier person all else being equal (such as perspiration rates for instance).

    Most heat loss is through your head though… so if you are skinny and your fingers or toes go numb from the cold, if you have gloves on the next thing to try is, wear a hat!

    A wet day or a windy day both contribute to loss of body heat from the skin’s surface significantly. This certainly impacts on skinny riders more than solid riders, even if they have the same body-fat levels (which is not always the case obviously).

  • http://twitter.com/dan__wilkins Dan Wilkins

    Pow! Alberto!

  • Anonymous

    Ah thanks. My work doesn’t allow access to most gambling sites!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577957887 Trevor McKenna

    I have never laughed so much. “Schleck sisters” is classic and perfectly apt. They’re going to hate the descents and tunnels today. Poor buggers. 

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    ASO are now the fun police? Bunch of tossers, seriously as soon as someone does something funny they want to clamp down on it. Scott McGrory is a damned Gold medal cyclist for fecks sake, you can’t buy that sort of credibility.

    I think I was a day late Wade, posted last night just before flicking on the TV to watch the stage and had a funny feeling Contador would “illuminate” the race and not leave it to the ITT.

    Credit to Contador, although Cadel is being applauded here I think it was partly due to AC’s effort to try to ‘win’ the race (where too many seem try not to lose it).

    The Schlecks are their own worst enemies though, with Andy meekly accepting 2nd place last yearafter chain gate (“My stomach is full of anger”, yeh right but you’re not angry enough to hunt the guy down and take the title?..) then the L-B-L debacle when Gilbert smacked them both. 

    Panache in my eyes is racing with courage, having a crack knowing that your effort could all end up badly and you end up with nothing. Panache also requires usually putting yourself in the pain locker for a bit, which Cadel clearly did with all that grimacing. Cadel showed real cojones to descend like that  down a wet fast mountain when he could have been excused for protecting his time (and Contador and Andy Schleck couldn’t or wouldn’t throw the dice).

    Andy Schleck only looks like he raced without panache or the cojones because Cadel did so.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    ASO are now the fun police? Bunch of tossers, seriously as soon as someone does something funny they want to clamp down on it. Scott McGrory is a damned Gold medal cyclist for fecks sake, you can’t buy that sort of credibility.

    I think I was a day late Wade, posted last night just before flicking on the TV to watch the stage and had a funny feeling Contador would “illuminate” the race and not leave it to the ITT.

    Credit to Contador, although Cadel is being applauded here I think it was partly due to AC’s effort to try to ‘win’ the race (where too many seem try not to lose it).

    The Schlecks are their own worst enemies though, with Andy meekly accepting 2nd place last yearafter chain gate (“My stomach is full of anger”, yeh right but you’re not angry enough to hunt the guy down and take the title?..) then the L-B-L debacle when Gilbert smacked them both. 

    Panache in my eyes is racing with courage, having a crack knowing that your effort could all end up badly and you end up with nothing. Panache also requires usually putting yourself in the pain locker for a bit, which Cadel clearly did with all that grimacing. Cadel showed real cojones to descend like that  down a wet fast mountain when he could have been excused for protecting his time (and Contador and Andy Schleck couldn’t or wouldn’t throw the dice).

    Andy Schleck only looks like he raced without panache or the cojones because Cadel did so.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    ASO are now the fun police? Bunch of tossers, seriously as soon as someone does something funny they want to clamp down on it. Scott McGrory is a damned Gold medal cyclist for fecks sake, you can’t buy that sort of credibility.

    I think I was a day late Wade, posted last night just before flicking on the TV to watch the stage and had a funny feeling Contador would “illuminate” the race and not leave it to the ITT.

    Credit to Contador, although Cadel is being applauded here I think it was partly due to AC’s effort to try to ‘win’ the race (where too many seem try not to lose it).

    The Schlecks are their own worst enemies though, with Andy meekly accepting 2nd place last yearafter chain gate (“My stomach is full of anger”, yeh right but you’re not angry enough to hunt the guy down and take the title?..) then the L-B-L debacle when Gilbert smacked them both. 

    Panache in my eyes is racing with courage, having a crack knowing that your effort could all end up badly and you end up with nothing. Panache also requires usually putting yourself in the pain locker for a bit, which Cadel clearly did with all that grimacing. Cadel showed real cojones to descend like that  down a wet fast mountain when he could have been excused for protecting his time (and Contador and Andy Schleck couldn’t or wouldn’t throw the dice).

    Andy Schleck only looks like he raced without panache or the cojones because Cadel did so.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    I’m thinking if he doesn’t know who Cuddles or Bertie are, then he might not know what a set of Bora’s are either…

    FYI, in Greek Bora is the wind (like Le Mistral). Maybe that’s just an ironic reference, but I’m guessing your hopes of getting a 4-5 grand set of Campag wheels from some random poster on the internet  are similar to those of getting your money paid from the King of Prussia..

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    I’m thinking if he doesn’t know who Cuddles or Bertie are, then he might not know what a set of Bora’s are either…

    FYI, in Greek Bora is the wind (like Le Mistral). Maybe that’s just an ironic reference, but I’m guessing your hopes of getting a 4-5 grand set of Campag wheels from some random poster on the internet  are similar to those of getting your money paid from the King of Prussia..

  • JC

    So in short…. if you’re soft like the Schleck sisters you go slow in the cold and wet but if you’re a hard man like cuddles you go fast:D

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Let’s not all get to precious ok?

    CT is the last one to be offending anyone, many’s the time I wished he’d just unleash with the stuff he knows about some of the Pro’s…

    I’m sure some gentle ribbing like we have posted here is not going to upset the Schlecks, or be anything the brothers would have dealt out themselves. Do you think Stuey O or Jens ride with them everyday minding what they say?

  • http://twitter.com/peteski9 Peter

    Very interested to see how this progresses. Make sure you keep us up to date.

  • http://twitter.com/peteski9 Peter

    Very interested to see how this progresses. Make sure you keep us up to date.

  • http://twitter.com/peteski9 Peter

    Very interested to see how this progresses. Make sure you keep us up to date.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Gerro had a theory about the wet and cold being a good day for breakaways (and he would know), because in general lots of guys don’t want to chase or exert themselves as much.

    Makes sense too when you think the breakaway riders can roll the dice more while the chasers (especially GC riders) have more at stake.

    I’d like to hear from a real racer though, not a hack like me..

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Gerro had a theory about the wet and cold being a good day for breakaways (and he would know), because in general lots of guys don’t want to chase or exert themselves as much.

    Makes sense too when you think the breakaway riders can roll the dice more while the chasers (especially GC riders) have more at stake.

    I’d like to hear from a real racer though, not a hack like me..

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Gerro had a theory about the wet and cold being a good day for breakaways (and he would know), because in general lots of guys don’t want to chase or exert themselves as much.

    Makes sense too when you think the breakaway riders can roll the dice more while the chasers (especially GC riders) have more at stake.

    I’d like to hear from a real racer though, not a hack like me..

  • http://twitter.com/peteski9 Peter

    That looks like a it could be a good night. Unfortunately busy earlier on but people should definitely get on this one!

  • Anonymous

    Apparently that last drop into Pinerolo is 15% at some points. If it’s wet again, that’s a saddle-puckering combo and no mistake.

  • Powerthirst User

    Thanks for a good explanation of thermodynamics, but do the PRO’s suffer the same as the rest of us?? Using wikipedia’s stats for each rider (AC = 62kg, 1.78m, AS = 68kg, 1.86m, FS = 67, 1.86m, CE = 67kg, 1.74m) to calculate their BMI’s (with all the assumptions that this invloves), these 4 riders come in at 19.7 (AS & FS), 20 (AC) and 22.1 (CE). That is not a huge difference in the normal population (judging by http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmi-m.htm), but is it sufficient to account for their different performances on the day?

  • Powerthirst User

    Thanks for a good explanation of thermodynamics, but do the PRO’s suffer the same as the rest of us?? Using wikipedia’s stats for each rider (AC = 62kg, 1.78m, AS = 68kg, 1.86m, FS = 67, 1.86m, CE = 67kg, 1.74m) to calculate their BMI’s (with all the assumptions that this invloves), these 4 riders come in at 19.7 (AS & FS), 20 (AC) and 22.1 (CE). That is not a huge difference in the normal population (judging by http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmi-m.htm), but is it sufficient to account for their different performances on the day?

  • Anonymous

    What do you think it’d take to get it on the big screen at Fed square? !

  • JBS

    in the simplest possible terms:

    Bertie = second
    Cuddles = Boras

  • JBS

    in the simplest possible terms:

    Bertie = second
    Cuddles = Boras

  • JBS

    in the simplest possible terms:

    Bertie = second
    Cuddles = Boras

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Thanks Heath.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Thanks Heath.

  • matt

    I think people are simply disappointed in the Schlecks and their complaints whenever they don’t perform.

    Last year Andy’s team attacked when Contador went down, yet complained about “chain-gate”. This year they are complaining because others aren’t “towing them to Paris” or playing the game the way they want it played i.e attacking at a time that suits them or being better bike handlers up hill and down hill.

    His statement “I don’t think this is what people want to see, a race decided on a downhill” sounds pretty pathetic and smacks of a sense of entitlement (unless it has been taken out of context).

    Maybe Andy will win when he grows some. No-one likes a sore loser.

  • matt

    I think people are simply disappointed in the Schlecks and their complaints whenever they don’t perform.

    Last year Andy’s team attacked when Contador went down, yet complained about “chain-gate”. This year they are complaining because others aren’t “towing them to Paris” or playing the game the way they want it played i.e attacking at a time that suits them or being better bike handlers up hill and down hill.

    His statement “I don’t think this is what people want to see, a race decided on a downhill” sounds pretty pathetic and smacks of a sense of entitlement (unless it has been taken out of context).

    Maybe Andy will win when he grows some. No-one likes a sore loser.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    In the rain and being about 3 degrees? I’d say you’d need to be certified to watch it there…

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    In the rain and being about 3 degrees? I’d say you’d need to be certified to watch it there…

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Totally different days wasn’t it? Beloki crashed because it was 40 degrees and the road melted. Armstrong only survived though sheer luck.

    Last night took massive handling skills and some real guts.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Totally different days wasn’t it? Beloki crashed because it was 40 degrees and the road melted. Armstrong only survived though sheer luck.

    Last night took massive handling skills and some real guts.

  • JC

    It certainly will be interesting to see how the Schmenkmans respond. Andy’s definitely not where he was last year.

  • JC

    It certainly will be interesting to see how the Schmenkmans respond. Andy’s definitely not where he was last year.

  • Robertbb

    Wade, please do a quick post if you hear anything RE: a big group gathering to watch somewhere in Melbourne?

  • Robertbb

    Wade, please do a quick post if you hear anything RE: a big group gathering to watch somewhere in Melbourne?

  • diamondjim

    The sisters missed their big chance to smack Bertie when he was down, in the Pyrenees.  He has been getting steadily better since his first week falls and injuries.   Watch out for him in the two alpine finishes.  I’m hoping Cuddles can minimise his losses in those stages. If we get another wet one tonight, the sisters could be in more strife, and with an ITT still to come they’re really going to need big time in the Alps.
    And I loved the photo of Peter Sellers.

  • diamondjim

    The sisters missed their big chance to smack Bertie when he was down, in the Pyrenees.  He has been getting steadily better since his first week falls and injuries.   Watch out for him in the two alpine finishes.  I’m hoping Cuddles can minimise his losses in those stages. If we get another wet one tonight, the sisters could be in more strife, and with an ITT still to come they’re really going to need big time in the Alps.
    And I loved the photo of Peter Sellers.

  • http://twitter.com/abanger Ashraf Murad

    i was thinking more heat transfer (conduction and convection) than thermo

  • Anonymous

    Calling them “the Schleck Sisters” is insulting.
     
     
    To women.

  • Steven

    Glad I took the 18:1 odds before the Tour began. Not glad I only put $20 down.

  • Anonymous

    Ofcourse it was different! But same road.

  • justanotheropinion

    As much as I want Cuddles to win the Tour, not just for himself, but I think it would be a great thing and tribute to the huge efforts of all current and past Australians who have competed in the Tour.

    I just don’t want Australians to turn into ugly one eyed supporters that really want to cuddle up to Cadel and not recognize the fact that this sport is great because of the characters that it serves up and the races are novels not tit bit stories of amusement.

  • Anonymous

    Like the few thousand fans watching the Aussies lose to Italy in 2006  world cup at 3am in the depths of winter? 
    Although, it would be more fun to be watching somewhere with champagne in hand! 

  • http://twitter.com/europeantouches Philipp U.

    i doubt any of you guys would enjoy riding in these weather conditions and i doubt you guys want to descent on wet surfaces at something between 60 and 80 km/h day after day. with the tragic death of his teammate earlier this season, I can understand that this is an influence on someones riding – it would be stupid if you just kept on doing things as if nothing happened. it is damn dangerous. period! it might not be the smartest move to complain about this publicly during the tour, but he has a point: It – is – dangerous!

    Voeckler, Cadel or the Schlecks … as long as it is not Contador, who is on top of the podium in Paris, this is all cool with me!

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Agree.

    I think people are also writing off Voeckler’s chances in the ITT, he may have lost 9 minutes or something last couple of times but as Phil says the yellow jersey gives them the strength of ten men. Don’t overrate Cadel’s skills either, a minute is easier to get (or lose) in the mountains than it is to take in the TT.

    Damn I’m gonna be a mess by Sunday with these late nights coming up…

  • http://twitter.com/52Teeth Dan Williams

    I really want Voeckler to hang on – just because I’ll be in the middle of France on Sunday and i think all of  the country will go nuts!
    Cav to stay in green too, needs Gilbert to have a bad day today though.

  • Bracks_ashat

    You’re right Abdu. I don’t know what Bora’s are. I’m going to send you guys a circular shaped piece of paper with the bora decals on it by post. Hope you guys like it and I hope it makes your friends jealous.

  • Bracks_ashat

    I want Rojas to get green!

  • Alex_26

    Schleck sisters?!? What is this?!? At least they have the balls to attack when the road tilts up! If Cadel was the strongest, why didn’t he risk the chance of blowing and attack on the uphill! I’d prefer watching daring attacks from the Schlecks than watching Cadel play his Indurain-esque conservative game, attacking only if needed and doing it without gambling on blowing. Where’s the true panache?

  • PhotosofchickspleaseVeeral

    You sure he didn’t have a thing for your wife Al?

  • Aaron Smith

    Shows that descending is a skill. Shame that safety police and lawyers wreck it for us here in Aus

  • PhotosofchickspleaseVeeral

    yeah maybe his dad didn’t get his car across the border this year with his ‘vitamin’ supply?

  • PhotosofchickspleaseVeeral

    yeah but weather aside it was pure class the break last night. No hubbards allowed with Thor towing….

  • norbs

    Daring attacks from the Schlecks? Andy goes off the front then turns around like a 3 year old does to see if his dad is still there. Frank goes and 15 seconds later he is stuffed.

  • norbs

    Daring attacks from the Schlecks? Andy goes off the front then turns around like a 3 year old does to see if his dad is still there. Frank goes and 15 seconds later he is stuffed.

  • PhotosofchickspleaseVeeral

    Alex…..he is racing smart mate. Post race interview the other night he said that “these are tough stages and require measured efforts”. I think it’s fair to say that some of the panache we have seen over the years has been enhanced somewhat……seems like a more even playing field this year which has made for close and exciting racing……

  • PhotosofchickspleaseVeeral

    Alex…..he is racing smart mate. Post race interview the other night he said that “these are tough stages and require measured efforts”. I think it’s fair to say that some of the panache we have seen over the years has been enhanced somewhat……seems like a more even playing field this year which has made for close and exciting racing……

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Glad you said it…jeez Al, hope the Tweets aren’t ‘weather related’ (ie. “is the coast clear?”).

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Glad you said it…jeez Al, hope the Tweets aren’t ‘weather related’ (ie. “is the coast clear?”).

  • Not_a_hugger

    Meh, I don’t like Cadel’s attitude at all with him spraying water over cavendish, cutting people’s head off if they step on the dog, head butting cameras, etc, etc. That said, I think its probably why I don’t support Evans. Its not because he sucks or anything, if he could become a better person, then I guess the nickname “cuddles” would actually make sense. I wouldn’t cuddle him for a million dollars. I would for 10 million though.

  • Big Dragon

    Love your work Abdu. I think ACMI was put up as a possibility as well.

  • Big Dragon

    Fantastic DJ….(I used to know a bloke called Diamond Jim Legend..true!!)…i too could not help but notice the great Peter Sellers in the photo line up…well spotted..you took the words right offa my screen….

  • The Pres

    Have two issues and one question.. Is Vokler really riding on Urus wheels? What’s wrong with Sheleks head or his helment? Is it possible this will be the first clean winner since Lemond? I nearly wet myself watching last night.

  • Big Dragon

    You must be as old as me Pres!!…Tena have a solution for the wetting thing…..

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Are we watching the same race?

    The stage I was watching, after the breakaway, Contador attacked on the climb, joined by Cadel. Andy Schleck cracked. Contador and Cadel rode off (with Panache).

    If the Schlecks want some tips on tactics and how two riders on the same team should be able to win against one, maybe they could ask Garmin Cervelo. Last night we saw an in form and quality rider in Boassen Hagen beaten by Hesjedal and Hushovd who worked him over. This 1-2 punch rubbish about Frank and Andy is just not there. They’ve got two more stages to show it, but I’ve got a suspicion they won’t…

    PS. Query as future trivia question – if Cadel wins (?!?!), will George Hincapie be the most successful team mate in Tour history?

  • Fwsm

    Contador can come back as much as he wants but as long as Evans continues to ride like he has been its not going to matter.

  • Its_okay

    ok

  • Andy B

    Too true mate.
    Alex – are we watching the same race? The Schlecks got
    dropped up that Cat 2 climb “as soon as the road titls up”. Plus, riders
    that:

    - don’t like the wet

    - don’t like descents

    - don’t like TTs…

    don’t deserve to win the TdF.

    I rated Andy last year but he’s done nothing since and the latest
    protestations on his part is turning the wave of public opinion against
    him. Cadel is a an awesome all-rounder, and a smart racer – I’ve been
    very impressed this year. Great to see what having solid team support
    behind him this year has done for his performances.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Disagree, riders have been descending these same roads for 100+ years with heavier bikes and far worse brakes, etc.

    1971 Tour in the Pyrenees, Merckx and Ocana. A real battle, these guys threw themselves down the mountain to win. Ocana was wearing the yellow jersey but still had a massive crack. Merckx was the rightful heir but 7 minutes down and hunting from the other side of the forest, so maybe could be excused for his risks. Merckx crashed into a wall, remounted and rode on down the Col de Mente. Ocana crashed too, but Zoetemelk barrelled into him injuring him badly. Ocana went to hospital, out of the Tour. Merckx refused to wear yellow the next day in respect.

    Plenty more examples in Tour history. None of them whined. Claudio Chiapucci dropped like a stone off mountains in the Tour many times. Paolo ‘the Falcon’ Salvodelli never complained either. Watch Sammy Sanchez climb then drop off the side of the mountain like someone nicked his brake pads. Great to watch.

    These are dangerous roads sure, but not unusual and found everywhere.Even Kinglake has weekend hackers descending at 80km/hr, with twisting bends and fog.

    If the Tour’s too dangerous for Andy he can join us Schmucks on Beach Road and hand back the big Euro salary.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Disagree, riders have been descending these same roads for 100+ years with heavier bikes and far worse brakes, etc.

    1971 Tour in the Pyrenees, Merckx and Ocana. A real battle, these guys threw themselves down the mountain to win. Ocana was wearing the yellow jersey but still had a massive crack. Merckx was the rightful heir but 7 minutes down and hunting from the other side of the forest, so maybe could be excused for his risks. Merckx crashed into a wall, remounted and rode on down the Col de Mente. Ocana crashed too, but Zoetemelk barrelled into him injuring him badly. Ocana went to hospital, out of the Tour. Merckx refused to wear yellow the next day in respect.

    Plenty more examples in Tour history. None of them whined. Claudio Chiapucci dropped like a stone off mountains in the Tour many times. Paolo ‘the Falcon’ Salvodelli never complained either. Watch Sammy Sanchez climb then drop off the side of the mountain like someone nicked his brake pads. Great to watch.

    These are dangerous roads sure, but not unusual and found everywhere.Even Kinglake has weekend hackers descending at 80km/hr, with twisting bends and fog.

    If the Tour’s too dangerous for Andy he can join us Schmucks on Beach Road and hand back the big Euro salary.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Say what?!

    Cav has earned it and won’t make the same mistake this year. JJ is too busy choosing the inside suicide line then waving his arms when Cav shuts the door on him. No wonder Rojas has been spreading rumours to the press that Cav has been hanging onto car doors to get over the climbs. If you can’t beat ‘em…?

    Bring back the real Abdu I say…a thrashing dangerous steroidal sprinting machine.

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    My guess for tonight’s stage – Sammy Sanchez.

    Gutsy little climber winding through the crowds up to Sestriere ala Claudio Chiapucci…

  • Al

    Oh. She said she was going to Luxembourg for a shopping trip!!!! ;-)

  • Al

    Oh. She said she was going to Luxembourg for a shopping trip!!!! ;-)

  • justanotheropinion

    I think you will find if you watch that footage of Cadel emptying his water bottle. It was actually aimed at the camera man,body guard or assistant that was getting close to Cadel in the scrum that had developed around both those riders. 

    It was just that the footage does not look good and even more so when the title of the footage is planting a pre-determined opinion in your mind before watching it. 

    On the attacking styles, I believe we are watching different riders use their strengths the best or worst but if you look at Cadel over the years he appears not to have a high speed bursting attack but rather a solid rhythm that can accelerate if required. Phil L & Paul Sherwin have commentated on this during the tour and have said that Basso is similar to Cadel with Contador, Schlecks more alike.

    What ever happens over the next week it will be entertaining.

    Can you imagine if they have to race on the final day for GC.

  • justanotheropinion

    I think you will find if you watch that footage of Cadel emptying his water bottle. It was actually aimed at the camera man,body guard or assistant that was getting close to Cadel in the scrum that had developed around both those riders. 

    It was just that the footage does not look good and even more so when the title of the footage is planting a pre-determined opinion in your mind before watching it. 

    On the attacking styles, I believe we are watching different riders use their strengths the best or worst but if you look at Cadel over the years he appears not to have a high speed bursting attack but rather a solid rhythm that can accelerate if required. Phil L & Paul Sherwin have commentated on this during the tour and have said that Basso is similar to Cadel with Contador, Schlecks more alike.

    What ever happens over the next week it will be entertaining.

    Can you imagine if they have to race on the final day for GC.

  • http://twitter.com/peteski9 Peter

    TDF party located!
    Add the group “yell for cadel” on facebook for more details.
    It will be at the belgian beer gardens on friday night. Providing Cadel is still in good standing it will be backed up again on saturday night. $15 cover. 
    Get on it!

  • Abdu Whereareyou

    Ha! Nice one.

    Now that Jens is on Twitter, wonder what would happen when starts following someone?…cue Jens/Chuck Norris joke

  • norm

    I saw a picture of Voeckler on Shamals

  • Al

    Its all related :-) Maybe try a calculation with two cylinders of equal volume but different lengths (approximating body segments of different people)… need to work out then the heat loss from these cylinders which is pretty easy to compute (google it if keen enough) to approximate the impact of different body types. BMI works on the square of the height right? I am not sure that BMI is as helpful (or relevant) for elite endurance athletes heat loss calculations as it is for computing obesity etc.

    Other things that matter in generating heat on a cold day: fatigue, food intake. If you let energy reserves wain, your ability to generate heat will also decline.

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